NEW BP MORPH!!!

I'm in the KC area and was at the reptile show today where I didn't see a single "morph". Most people don't buy them because of the high cost which will drive the prices down since the only people buying them are people expecting to breed them and make a ton of money. Go to any local pet shop and ask some people if they'd shell out even $500 on a single reptile. 99% of the time the answer will be either "no" or "hell no". The true pet trade market can't support "morphs" being created in the numbers they will soon be at and the prices will go down. All snakes are still pets by definition unless you are breeding them for reintroduction to the wild and therefore prices will have to eventually reach the pet-trade price threshold. I never see any high dollar snakes in pet shops. The most I ever paid for one myself was $90 for my 7 foot Honduran BCI. Sometimes I see snakes for around $175 but I've NEVER seen one for more than $200 in a shop. The only thing carrying these horrendous prices now is the internet buying/selling/trading and the sheer amount of misinformation regarding "morphs" on the web now. People learn and won't continue to pay these prices for long. It's nice that people are willing to discuss this though unlike the first post on here.

Well RedDevil, I happen to like hognose too or more accurately...my wife does. She has a couple western hognose that she breeds. When you get your easterns let me know how things go with them. I've heard they're picky feeders and I've also heard that was a myth. I'd really like to find out about someone else's experience with them. I'm thinking of going with Madagascan Giant Hognose myself and I know Womas aren't for everyone but that's one of my favorites and I'll be excited when I can actually get one.

I do agree with your last post though. The market is pretty much just breeders selling to breeders, and a quite a few people wouldn't even take a snake in if it where given to them.

As far as petshops go, where I live they sell Albino Burms for $300 each, adn sell out all the time. Theres even one petshop that carries Ball Python morphs. They also seem to be selling quite well over there.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. I'll come back on tomorrow and see if theres anything new.

I'll let you know how it goes, and if I get to breed I'll be sure to send you one if you'd like.

From what I have heard they aren't THAT hard to keep. They usually feed well on f/t toads if they are w/c. CB ones tend to eat scented mice a lot easier.

Alright and thanks for the interesting discussion RedDevil. Here though, albino burms start at $199 and usually sell for less and NOBODY carries any other "morphs" other than corn or kingsnake stuff. I guess it all depends on where you live and if the economy of the area will handle high-end stuff.

MUAHDIB4, I'm not even going to get into the morph discussion but what in the crap are you talking about "inbred souther states" for? I happen to be from AL and have lived here all of my life. Personally I wouldn't have it any other way. We're not a bunch of inbred hillbillies that run around acting like idiots as some of you errogant, pompous jerks think we do. The majority of southerners are very educated, respectable, and have a sense of hospitality that isn't present in ANY other part of the WORLD! So if you're making these comments from "here say" then you might need to come down here and visit unless your going to run us down. In that case you're not welcome. If you visited here and DID run into some inbreds then I'm terribly sorry for that inconvenience and hope that your next trip will be better. As for Missouri goes I have relatives there and wouldn't be caught dead with them because of there attitudes and the way they carry themselves. So please back off the redneck jokes.

Matt

lol, I was kind of thinking that myself. I'm from Louisiana, and have yet to see any "inbred hillbillies" running around. I don't think he really meant it like that, but just needed an example to use (although it didn't come out very well).

I didn't mean any disrespect to any southern states. It is just a well known "MYTH" not truth, regarding southern states and inbred hillbillies. Missouri gets made fun of and so does Arkansas where much of my family lives. That's why I didn't pick any state to put into that comment because I was trying not to offend. Sorry if I did with that.

I can disprove your theory easily as burms do not sell for 100(regulars atleast if you're not getting ripped off). I can get normals for less than 20!

Woo-hoo you can get them for $20...let's try average RETAIL prices which is what I was using for the comparison. I can get normal BPs for $4.75 so it still works and you've disproved nothing. This isn't supposed to be about disproving prices anyway.

Here how I see it. Like you said earlier, there are a lot of new people getting into Ball Pythons. Since most are only in it for money, odds are they will buy the cheapest ones they can find. So say everyone gets Pastels, and prices go down to $500 next season. The way I see it, this means that average people can get into Ball Pythons. It would make the lower end morphs cheap enough for the general public while giving the breeders more people to sell the real high end ($20k+)snakes to.

How much you get a normal for means nothing! Just because you can get common normals which are usaully imports means nothing. Morphs aren't like normals and their price doesn't drop like normals either.

People in general are greedy therefore everyone will want to breed the more expensive ones hoping to get rich quick thus driving prices down when the small high-end market is saturated. Some will breed the others and it will all even out in the end. I'm not saying that morphs will end up at the same prices as normals, just that they won't hold the market where it is for long. Actually the original point was that most "morphs" aren't what I would consider "morphs" because it's just a very slight variation but it's been more interesting this way. Besides, I guess people will buy what they will buy. I like womas and RedDevil doesn't and I guess that's the great thing about reptiles...there's so blasted many.

Well BMX...what a person can get them for was exactly what you told me you could disprove and didn't. Now it sounds like you're just angry because you lost on that point. There's no reason to get angry and yes "morph" prices will go down, as I said earlier, using the price decrease of albino burms as an example. History repeats itself and everything goes in cycles. That's just the way of things.

That was pretty much my point. Since they are greedy, they will want to spent very little, and make a lot. So Pastel fit in perfectly since its co-dominant. Since the Pastel would get low, more people would get them. This would give all of those people a chance to breed there way up to the high end stuff. And by the time they manage to drop the price on those, there would be new morphs.

I didn't even realize how far off topic we got. I guess one of my earlier posts pretty much sumed it up. It isn't always about what the morph itself looks like, but about what new morphs you can make from it.

So do you get any money from buying an $50,00 car? The morphs has supply and demand which keep price up. Right now demand on Albino are high to people who only want keep them as pet becasue size are smaller than burms and I think it won't go down for a long time. It effects the price go sighly. Same with demand of cars and of they sells care very well they will decidce to rise the price and if it sells slow and they will deicde to sell it cheaper.