albino scalless rattlesnake

WOW, i did not know that there were scalless rattlers yet, good lookin one too. U LUCKY LUCKY DOGG. good luck with it. Oh yeah, how much would one of those go for?

As much as i think this snake is cool looking it also makes me mad because all it really is, is a bunch of inbreeding. Whats going to happen in the futur when all we have is a bunch of inbred animals? I hate to say but by inbreeding our animals our hobby is going to hell!!!! If we dont stop inbreeding or these damnded hybrids we will never beable to have pur bloodlines and if we ever have a disaster and the wild populations die out or something what stock of animals our we going to relay on?

yeah, i find imbreeding kinda bad to some extent(sp?) too, but u gotta addmit that that is one bitchin snake. I find that some inbreeding can be ok as long as handled properly, if the snakes health is good than aight kool, but if u start making way unrealistic creatures i think u should be shot. Jk just punished. Yeah so dont take inbreeding more than the very minimum generations needed for YOUR OWN PERSONAL collection. Dont sell inbred animals to others who will go nuts tryin to come up with the coolest creature ever. yeah a great looking specimen would be cool, but its not worth it if it will only life so long. Health before beauty, guys!!!!

THanks for backing me up the color morphs i have right now are going to be bred to ltc snakes of the same species to produce hets and scince i have to bloodlines of texas rat snakes i will breed the unrelated rats to gether to produce some realy nice luecistics. But i will prob never buy a nother color morph unless its wild caught. But atleast the snake in the pic look healthy so i will say no more.

Seems like an obvious question but isn't it a "non-rattle" snake? How will the rattle develop if there are no scales?

How could rattlesnakes be prone to defects because of in breeding? I mean, most rattle snakes (I'm local to Timbers, so I may be wrong about others) colonize into den sites, so that would mean that over generations, they would all have the same bloodline. I know there are isolated timber dens that have very healthy snakes, and all of the snakes would basically have to be related one way or another, so is this really a defect from inbreeding?
just a thought...
-Will

if that was intentional i believe this to be a horrible thing the morph thing has gone too far when we selectively breed snakes not to have scales. please tell me your not planning to breed this deformity. i only hope for the rest of us hobbyist that this "form" does not become readily avalable im fine with albinos and lucesethics but scaleless draws the fine line in my view of the selective breeding issue. can you tell me more about this animal? I hold no grudge against you. its just The thought of a scaleless snake makes me want to vomit. it seems we as hobbyist are playing god with these animals undoing what has been working so finely tuned for milions of years just for are own enjoyment(of course I know we as humans always play god and we keep snakes for are enjoyment). if this animal was to gain popularity lots of people may try to breed these thus another deformity breeders wind up with in their lines going unnoticed as a het till there are very little scalled snakes left this is a worst scinereo of corse but just the thought of this happening makes me cringe. It would seem to me that the responsible thing as a hobbyist to do is to not allow this animal to give birth or sire any young in other words please dont breed this animal. i personaly whom you probably dont care what i think believe that would be highly irresponsible. feel free to quote me or tell others of my view on this situation I truly feel this strongly about these wonderful animals.


David "COPA" Busch

I doubt anyone bred that on purpose. I don't find it disgusting or making me want to vomit, I find it very interesting. And if we are playing god by breeding these morphs, then people all over are playing god by doing things like cutting off a dog's balls. Hell, I'ld rather be an albino scalless rattler instead of an animal with no .......

i find neutering alittle bit different you relizwe that the onl;y scaless animal that ive seen was a rat snake that had to be force feed as an adult. but im glad you stated your view kindly as always BMVX python p.s. i love your animals do you breed any. and i meant scaleless nothin wrong with real forms ie albino or any other carmel, lucy,axanthic.

Yeah, I fully understand where you are getting at. I didn't agree with what you said at first and I didn't want to come off as an ass to you so I tried to word it nicely. If you're interested in my animals you'ld have to wait sometime. My male yellowhead retic is ready to breed, but I need to get him a female big enough. The female I have isn't even close to big enough, so if I don't find anything you';ll have to wait atleast 1.5-2years. But I do also plan to breed invertebrates and other reptiles so I may have stuff avalible sooner.

p.s you started off with no balls ;) lol

Scaless snakes are not a result of inbreeding. Scaleless snakes are a natural occuring mutation that absolutly cannot be selectively bred for. You can't inbreed to create scaleless snakes. All atempts at breeding this mutation have failed due to sterilty problems. Nature is constantly evolveing and mutated gene forms are an example of that. Some work and some fail, it's natures way. Most extreme mutations such as this one begin life as a failure. Trying to bash the owner of this snake with over inbreeding is wrong.

if what you say is true i apolalogize im sorry i made a mistake

Except for the fact that its one of a kind, I think it's the ugliest damn snake out there and why would anyone want to try to select for that trait ?

Scaleless snakes are a result of inbreeding as are all simple recessive traits. This was proved out last yr. ('04) by breeding a Scaleless TX Ratsnake to two of its offspring (Hets.). There was a scaless produced in each litter.